GB News host Emily Carver clashed with Discrimination Lawyer Robin Moira White over the latest trans row to rock Westminster.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has pledged to "amend" the Equality Act to help "protect women's spaces" if his party wins the General Election.
The significant change will see discrimination on "sex" grounds changed to mention "biological sex", meaning transgender men and women would not be recognised under the gender which they now identify.
Speaking to GB News, White told hosts Emily and co-host Tom Harwood that the move would "clearly legalise a form of discrimination".
Emily Carver hit out at lawyer Robin Moira White after claiming
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White explained: "It excludes trans people from spaces which we've properly used for a quarter of a century, and it's solving a non-existent problem."
Emily questioned if White's remarks were true and argued that "although the Labour Party says the Equality Act already has a clear definition of sex", others would argue that it is "very vague".
When asked if White believes it is possible to both "protect biological sex and also those who've gone through gender reassignment", the lawyer claimed that the protections are already there, but will change with Sunak's new pledge.
White told GB News: "We have exactly that protection at the moment. Is there really a good reason for doing it when I go to Sainsbury's on a Saturday and go and use the loo? Is that what we want to achieve?
Rishi Sunak has pledged to amend the Equality Act to protect women's spaces if the Tories win the election
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"The the evidence from bathrooms bills in the US is that it wasn't the tiny number of trans people who get affected by such things. There are broadly about 40 times as many butch lesbians in society as there are trans people."
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Emily hit back at White, asking: "What have butch lesbians got to do with this? They're biological women?"
White responded: "They are the people who got challenged under the bathroom bills. They were the people who were being pulled out by security guards and accused of being in the wrong place."
Emily then argued that they would have a "very good case" to say "actually, I am a woman, a biological woman".
White defended her argument further, adding: "But they'd had to be exposed to that harassment and disadvantage. It wasn't the trans people who were having a problem."
Robin Moira White claimed 'butch lesbians' are being targeted as a result of trans discrimination
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When asked if White believes there's "no need at all" to clarify that sex in the Equality Act means "biological sex", White claimed we live in a "complex society" and our "laws reflect that".
White said: "We live in a complex society. We can simplify society, we could take away voting rights for people generally and that would simplify elections tremendously. But we don't do that.
"We recognise that people have rights across society and our laws reflect the complexity of society.
"30 years of working as a discrimination barrister only convinces me that the protections that people have, that women have, that people of colour have, are essential in our society for protecting individual people."
